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		By: Propagandee		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 17:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Frank Rich in his &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/26/opinion/26rich.html?_r=2&amp;pagewanted=print&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;column &lt;/a&gt;today:

&lt;em&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;In other words, the ticking time bomb was not another potential Qaeda attack on America but the Bush administration’s ticking timetable for selling a war in Iraq; it wanted to pressure Congress to pass a war resolution before the 2002 midterm elections. Bybee’s memo was written the week after the then-secret (and subsequently leaked) “Downing Street memo,” in which the head of British intelligence informed Tony Blair that the Bush White House was so determined to go to war in Iraq that “the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy.” A month after Bybee’s memo, on Sept. 8, 2002, Cheney would make his infamous appearance on “Meet the Press,” hyping both Saddam’s W.M.D.s and the “number of contacts over the years” between Al Qaeda and Iraq. If only 9/11 could somehow be pinned on Iraq, the case for war would be a slamdunk.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/em&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank Rich in his <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/26/opinion/26rich.html?_r=2&#038;pagewanted=print" rel="nofollow">column </a>today:</p>
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<blockquote><p>In other words, the ticking time bomb was not another potential Qaeda attack on America but the Bush administration’s ticking timetable for selling a war in Iraq; it wanted to pressure Congress to pass a war resolution before the 2002 midterm elections. Bybee’s memo was written the week after the then-secret (and subsequently leaked) “Downing Street memo,” in which the head of British intelligence informed Tony Blair that the Bush White House was so determined to go to war in Iraq that “the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy.” A month after Bybee’s memo, on Sept. 8, 2002, Cheney would make his infamous appearance on “Meet the Press,” hyping both Saddam’s W.M.D.s and the “number of contacts over the years” between Al Qaeda and Iraq. If only 9/11 could somehow be pinned on Iraq, the case for war would be a slamdunk.</p></blockquote>
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		By: Human of Days		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 17:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[An ounce of 9/11 truth would eviscerate any waffle thin remnant of thug credibility.

Allowance with full disclose is the time transcendent means of  quashing rebellion.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An ounce of 9/11 truth would eviscerate any waffle thin remnant of thug credibility.</p>
<p>Allowance with full disclose is the time transcendent means of  quashing rebellion.</p>
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		By: Propagandee		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Cheney&#039;s got a book to write and sell. Sort of blows his whole premise that he kept America safe by waterboarding some guy 6x a day for month if it turns out that torture did the country more harm than good, an argument that Bob Baer did a good job of making last night on MSNBC.

Right now, all he&#039;s got is his &quot;We weren&#039;t attacked after 9/11&quot;  argument (ignoring the fact that it wasn&#039;t in AQ&#039;s interest to do so, especially after the negative reaction that followed in the Muslim world, and the recruiting bonanza handed to them from the invasion of Iraq).

Update: 

Juan Cole has more on the&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.juancole.com/2009/04/cheney-rumsfeld-pressured-for-torture.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; torture for propaganda angle&lt;/a&gt;:

“Jonathan S. Landay at McClatchy has discovered the real reason that Abu Zubaydah and Khalid Sheikh Muhammad were tortured dozens of times in the run-up to the Iraq War. It was because Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld were trying to get them to say that Saddam Hussein had operational links with al-Qaeda, so as to have a firm justification for the war.”]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheney&#8217;s got a book to write and sell. Sort of blows his whole premise that he kept America safe by waterboarding some guy 6x a day for month if it turns out that torture did the country more harm than good, an argument that Bob Baer did a good job of making last night on MSNBC.</p>
<p>Right now, all he&#8217;s got is his &#8220;We weren&#8217;t attacked after 9/11&#8221;  argument (ignoring the fact that it wasn&#8217;t in AQ&#8217;s interest to do so, especially after the negative reaction that followed in the Muslim world, and the recruiting bonanza handed to them from the invasion of Iraq).</p>
<p>Update: </p>
<p>Juan Cole has more on the<a href="http://www.juancole.com/2009/04/cheney-rumsfeld-pressured-for-torture.html" rel="nofollow"> torture for propaganda angle</a>:</p>
<p>“Jonathan S. Landay at McClatchy has discovered the real reason that Abu Zubaydah and Khalid Sheikh Muhammad were tortured dozens of times in the run-up to the Iraq War. It was because Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld were trying to get them to say that Saddam Hussein had operational links with al-Qaeda, so as to have a firm justification for the war.”</p>
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		By: nonnie9999		</title>
		<link>https://www.urantiansojourn.com/2009/04/torture-in-context/#comment-2458</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 06:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[the rethugs have been all over the tv spouting the &lt;i&gt;we don&#039;t like torture either, but it&#039;s ancient history&lt;/i&gt; bullshit.  it was so phuckin&#039; nauseating.  if they think defending cheney is going to expand their base, then let &#039;em talk until they drop.  if they choose cheney as the face of the party, they won&#039;t survive the decade.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the rethugs have been all over the tv spouting the <i>we don&#8217;t like torture either, but it&#8217;s ancient history</i> bullshit.  it was so phuckin&#8217; nauseating.  if they think defending cheney is going to expand their base, then let &#8217;em talk until they drop.  if they choose cheney as the face of the party, they won&#8217;t survive the decade.</p>
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