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A President with a Cosmology would be— A great president?
Or the Greatest President.

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      1. Avatar tsisageya

        Those are fine words. What makes you think so? And, no offense, but who died and made you the Judge?

        I’m asking.

        By the way, just who IS the Master of truth in your eyes?

        1. Let me ask you: If you’ve “rejected” the fifth epochal revelation, and think we have “nothing in common,” why continue this thread?

          If you’ve read The Urantia Book, you know very well who I think the Master of truth is, and you also know who is judging you and why I can believe his judgment is a divinely fair and infinitely merciful one.

          1. Avatar tsisageya

            Let me ask you: If you’ve “rejected” the fifth epochal revelation, and think we have “nothing in common,” why continue this thread?

            Exactly so, since you’re full of the utmost crap.

            Why do I bother? Lord only knows. Is He the MASTER OF TRUTH to whom you refer?

            Don’t answer. You know nothing. GBCW. I’m out…

            Be well, yourself.

          2. I knew it was just a matter of time before this thumper revealed their true character. Let that be a lesson to all you fundy chillins— your foolishness will be revealed… by YOU.

            But I do love it when they show up here claiming to have read The Urantia Book, and everything they say reveals instantly they have no f’n clue what the book says about anything. Hypocrisy must be genetic in some Christians.

  1. Avatar tsisageya

    P.S. When I say I continue to read it all I mean that I continue to read all that I have been given, or all that I am drawn to—not that I continue to read Urantia. I gave that up awhile back. No offense. I gave up a lot of readings that no longer served me. Too many words, when less would suffice, make me ill.

  2. Avatar tsisageya

    I owned it at one time. To me it was like the Mormon book of the bible—much talk without much to say. I’ve read it all, and continue to read it all.
    I’ve read the book during my searching.

    Even though there is much “evidence” against the truth of the bible, I prefer it. The bible is enough for me. The contradictions are not contradictions, even though I HATE the catholic church.

    When I thought I would die, the only name I trusted was the name of Jesus. I grabbed the bible and held it to my chest, not the other.

    I like your website but I have left behind the book.

    P.S. I am liberal, like Jesus.

    1. Welcome tsisageya,
      I’m disappointed to hear you think the Urantia Papers are “without much to say.” And surprised if I understand correctly, that you “continue to read it all”?

      I have met people who never give themselves permission to recognize the truth of the fifth epochal revelation; however they also don’t give themselves permission to actually read it, either. They are the type of personality that cannot distinguish their intellectual beliefs about religion, which contains a combination of truth and error, from their spiritual experience with Jesus, which may be genuine.

      I don’t hate the Catholic church. When I was younger, they instilled in me a desire to know, love, and serve God, for which I am still grateful; but they left me with a very incomplete picture of who Jesus was and is.

      The Urantia Book introduced me to a cosmology of the universe creation with a portrait of Jesus so profoundly beautiful, so consummately divine, that even if such a man had never existed, I would still love him, follow his teachings, and try to be spiritually like him.

      The truth of the Bible will stand on the records of the ages to come, just as the historic facts and religious truths of The Urantia Book will; it can be no other way, since all truth originates from the same source; the Universal Father of all things and beings.

      I’m glad to hear you are liberal like Jesus; but recall that he is also big-hearted and aggressive. The spiritual forward urge is the most powerful driving force present in this world, and the truth-learning believer is the one progressive and aggressive soul on earth; And when I read this many years ago, I knew I had found the way to harness my own aggressive and progressive nature:

      Until the human race progresses to the level of a higher and more general recognition of the realities of spiritual experience, large numbers of men and women will continue to show a personal preference for those religions of authority which require only intellectual assent, in contrast to the religion of the spirit, which entails active participation of mind and soul in the faith adventure of grappling with the rigorous realities of progressive human experience.

      The acceptance of the traditional religions of authority presents the easy way out for man’s urge to seek satisfaction for the longings of his spiritual nature. The settled, crystallized, and established religions of authority afford a ready refuge to which the distracted and distraught soul of man may flee when harassed by fear and tormented by uncertainty. Such a religion requires of its devotees, as the price to be paid for its satisfactions and assurances, only a passive and purely intellectual assent.

      And for a long time there will live on earth those timid, fearful, and hesitant individuals who will prefer thus to secure their religious consolations, even though, in so casting their lot with the religions of authority, they compromise the sovereignty of personality, debase the dignity of self-respect, and utterly surrender the right to participate in that most thrilling and inspiring of all possible human experiences: the personal quest for truth, the exhilaration of facing the perils of intellectual discovery, the determination to explore the realities of personal religious experience, the supreme satisfaction of experiencing the personal triumph of the actual realization of the victory of spiritual faith over intellectual doubt as it is honestly won in the supreme adventure of all human existence— man seeking God, for himself and as himself, and finding him.

      The religion of the spirit means effort, struggle, conflict, faith, determination, love, loyalty, and progress. The religion of the mind— the theology of authority— requires little or none of these exertions from its formal believers. Tradition is a safe refuge and an easy path for those fearful and halfhearted souls who instinctively shun the spirit struggles and mental uncertainties associated with those faith voyages of daring adventure out upon the high seas of unexplored truth in search for the farther shores of spiritual realities as they may be discovered by the progressive human mind and experienced by the evolving human soul.

      To my mind, passages like that— and there are hundreds of them— have a great deal to say to seekers of truth. Revelation is powerful stuff, and it is greatly needed by a hapless generation of pseudo-intellectuals and thoughtless hypocrites who trade their religious values for power and wealth. One way or another, we will achieve the progress we so desperately need.

      1. Avatar tsisageya

        Revelation is powerful stuff, and it is greatly needed by a hapless generation of pseudo-intellectuals and thoughtless hypocrites who trade their religious values for power and wealth. One way or another, we will achieve the progress we so desperately need.

        Yes, I agree—one way or another.

        Thank you very much for your thoughtful, and kind, response. I mean no offense.

        I was born into, and raised in, the catholic church. It seemed dead to me. When I was 16 I became a purposeful atheist. A proud one.

        When I was 26, I had a revelation. When I was 34, I trusted Jesus. When I say I hate the catholic church, I mean hate. That word does not come lightly to me. I know just what it means.

        It turns out that Jesus’ is a very simple spirit. He doesn’t require more words and explanation.

        More later. Thank you.

        1. I certainly take no offense you no longer read The Urantia Book; revelations of truth to our world, whether by direct personal ministry of the Spirit of Truth, by the world bestowal of divine Sons, or through the revelations of the written word, have proven very difficult for the vast majority of urantians to understand.

          Like you, I was born and raised Catholic, and at 18 became agnostic and atheistic. My firsthand experience of the senselessness and death of the Vietnam War was the precursor of my discovery of the Urantia Revelation at 25.

          Since you took the time to further clarify your hatred of the Catholic Church, I’ll take the time to recall Jesus said,

          “Hate is the shadow of fear; revenge the mask of cowardice.”

          “Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, and pray for those who despitefully use you. And whatsoever you believe that I would do to men, do you also to them.”

          Fear and hatred are mental poisons that tremendously interfere with the spiritual progress of the soul. Indulging in hatred inevitably binds it to your own soul; hatred can not help you.

          The evil the Church has spawned is like the tree that does not bring forth good fruit; it is presently “hewn down and cast into the fire.”

          You said, “It turns out that Jesus’ is a very simple spirit. He doesn’t require more words and explanation.”

          The spirit of Jesus— the Spirit of Truth sent to all men at Pentecost— doesn’t require words at all; but we most certainly do. Even John in the Bible recognizes this:

          “And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written.”

          But I take your meaning; the spirit of Jesus can be reduced to “Love one another.”

          Regarding your P.S.: In thirty-eight years of study of The Urantia Book, I have found passages that seemed “wordy” at first; but now, I wish its million words were ten million; I’d happily read them until my eyes failed; then listen to them until my hearing went; and think about them until my soul leaves this world behind.

          1. Avatar tsisageya

            When I say I hate the catholic church, I mean I hate it like I hate war, greed, injustice, lies, and other abominations.

            And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all of them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves, And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.

            I hate what empire-building did, and continues to do, to this land and its native people (and to other lands and other native people). I love the video of The Dance because it shows the beauty of those people and that their spirit has not been crushed.

            Just as many people think that when Jesus said, “Judge not, that you be not judged”, he meant that we should never judge anyone about anything. But in this case, he meant it the same way as when he said, “First remove the plank from your own eye so that you can see better to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.” He also said “Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment”.

            Anyway, having said all that, maybe I’ll take another look at Urantia. It’s been awhile, after all.

            Thank you, Michael.

  3. First reading, then perhaps understanding…and then enlightenment? It may be too much to ask of the denizens on the Planet of the Fearful Apes with Guns, you know. But the sentiment and graphic are top-notch.

    ;>)

    1. Avatar Michael Hart

      Thanks Db. No doubt about it— it is asking too much; the old ones said the UB was for an age when people would hunger and thirst for truth. Ha ha ha.

      But artists. Always the first to get in there and make a scene— of one sort or another— and thus the spectacle of this website. I’m resigned to the notion there are only two types of monkeys — sentient creatures— on Urantia: those who can read (GROK) the UB, and those who can not, and the former are worth hunting like a starving man hunts chow.

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